Roughing: Choosing Between Square Shoulder & Button Cutters

07 Jul.,2025

 

Roughing: Choosing Between Square Shoulder & Button Cutters

Looking at your next project, you evaluate the material removal required on the job. The workpiece requires extensive roughing, with complex surfaces and shapes remaining for finish machining. Your machine has oodles of horsepower, but not exactly industry-leading feed capability. The question on your mind at this point is: “How can I rough this part without losing valuable time or creating extra work in the finishing process?”

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This is just one example of an everyday challenge in most machine shops – how best to rough a part prior to semifinish or finish machining. The wrong answer can result in extra time spent in the roughing process, creating a loss of income on a job and, worse, a backup of work scheduled to follow the part on the same machine. Additionally, roughing with the wrong tool can create headaches for the finishing operation, causing extra time to be spent equalizing the remaining stock before accurate finish machining can take place.

Roughing tools come in a variety of shapes and designs but, for the sake of simplicity, this article will address the indexable square shoulder end mill and the button (copy) mill, the two most common, effective, and versatile roughing tools on the market.

Rigidity is a factor in both the machine tool and the workpiece setup. A machine tool with box ways will allow heavier cutting than a machine with linear ways. A workpiece setup with solid, well-distributed clamping will allow more tool pressure than a part that has areas left unsupported (for example, if the part is longer than the vise is wide). These issues are relevant to cutting tool selection.

As far as machine rigidity is concerned, a good rule of thumb is that a square shoulder tool will thrive on a rigid machine, and a button cutter will perform more satisfactorily on a less-rigid machine. The reasons for this lie mainly in tool geometry. The square-shoulder tool, having a 90º cutting edge, will generate primarily radial cutting forces and offer potentially heavier depths of cut. Heavier cutting demands good machine spindle and way rigidity, or vibration will almost certainly occur.

With the sharper edge (corner) on a square shoulder tool, excessive vibration creates the potential for edge chipping, which could in turn lead to catastrophic failure. The button cutter offers good metal removal on the less-rigid machine for two primary reasons. First, the round cutting edge is much stronger and more durable than the sharper, square-shoulder cutting edge. This greater strength allows the insert to better absorb shock and vibration during the cutting process, and should also be taken into account for some interrupted cutting. Second, the round cutting edge generates variable tool pressure, meaning that the forces are much more evenly split between axial and radial (up and to the side) than is the case with a square shoulder tool. This split in the tool forces puts much of the tool pressure back into the workpiece, helping to lower the demand on the machine spindle and ways. With a button cutter, cutting at aggressive feed rates is possible on machines not previously adept at such things, but lighter depths of cut (usually < 0.060" or 1.5 mm) will be necessary.

Workpiece rigidity is a different issue altogether. Here, the focused tool pressure of the square shoulder cutting tool can frequently be an advantage. Take, for example, a workpiece that is poorly supported underneath the part. In this case, any cutting pressure generated in the axial (down) direction will tend to cause chatter due to the lack of a stable base for the pressure, and a square shoulder tool may be better suited to the milling. A button cutter will be more likely to produce vibration of the workpiece in this situation, causing poor surface finish, decreased tool life and increased noise levels.

Nowhere is this phenomenon more evident than when machining through-pockets. As the cutter gets closer to breaking through the bottom, a button cutter will produce significant floor vibration that compromises the remaining material in the pocket. In cases like these, it is not uncommon to see the button cutter’s inserts break before ever breaking through the bottom. Square shoulder cutters are best suited for applications such as these, because pressure will be directed into the sidewalls of the part, not the floor being machined.

The final shape of the workpiece plays a basic, yet important, role in the selection of the roughing tool. Selecting the wrong cutting tool for roughing can create extra steps in the process, reducing profitability and negatively affecting delivery.

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For slotting, step milling, face milling up to a shoulder, and most 2-D profile milling, the square shoulder tool makes the most sense. Using a button cutter in these cases will make it necessary to undertake the extra step of machining away the radius created by the round insert, adding an additional tool to the program and setup. A round insert will also leave a scalloped sidewall finish in these cases, creating the need for a finishing tool to clean up the lines.

For 3-D profiling, cavity/core roughing, surfacing, or face milling of an open face, a button-style cutting tool is the logical choice. In most of these cases, the final surface has anything but a straight wall. The use of a round insert (especially at lighter depths of cut) creates a smooth, flowing surface that is easier to cut during a semifinishing or finishing routine. Square-shoulder tools leave steps on surfaces like these, creating uneven tool pressure and (typically) poor surface tolerance. Parts roughed with square-shoulder tooling frequently need multiple semifinish or finish cuts to achieve the desired profile tolerance. Additionally, the stepped surfaces are harder on the cutting tool, with excessive variation in tool pressure typically reducing tool life and surface-finish quality.

Hole interpolation is done in many different ways, most of them slow. Depending on the type of machine tool, cycle times can be improved dramatically, especially in 2” (51-mm) diam or larger holes. Square shoulder milling tools are better suited for circular interpolation than button cutters. This process involves pre-drilling a start hole somewhat bigger than the cutting tool to be used. The square-shoulder tool is then plunged into the drilled hole, at which point the circle is milled to size at a specified depth of cut per pass, continuing in this approach to the finished depth. If the machine tool has sufficient horsepower to allow the tool to operate at depths of cut greater than 1/4” (6.4 mm) per pass, this process can be done economically. If not, holemaking done in this manner will most likely be slow and inefficient.

Button cutters offer the most aggressive option for hole creation, and also allow elimination of the pre-drilling operation. How? By helical interpolation – the combined movement of three (X, Y and Z) axes while interpolating the hole. This operation is performed by positioning the OD of the cutting tool at the inside of the finished diameter, rather than positioning the cutter at the hole center. The program then instructs the tool to begin circular interpolation of the hole, but with downward Z-axis movement through each 360º rotation in the hole. Tool movement creates a ramping effect, allowing the tool gradual entry into the workpiece and rapid metal removal, all with a smooth-sounding cut that’s easy on the cutting tool and the machine itself. A typical operation would be:

  • Hole size: 4” (203 mm) diam
  • Hole depth: 2” (51 mm) depth
  • Tool used: 2” (51 mm) dia. button mill with four inserts

Approach: Position the tool at the three o’clock position in the hole, approximately 0.100” (0.03 mm) above Z-zero (workpiece top). Execute an arc command that brings the tool back around to the start position and also moves the tool down in Z by an incremental amount, often 0.050-0.100” (1.25-2.5 mm). (There are many different programming methods available for the helix command, but they won’t be covered here.) Continue this motion until the insert centerline breaks through the part bottom. At this point, bring the tool back to centerline and retract.

While square shoulder tools are capable of this motion, button tools allow much more aggressive ramp angles and provide better protection to the cutting edge for re-cutting of chips, the most challenging aspect of helical interpolation. Strong air blast is highly recommended for this process.

There are big differences in cost per edge between button cutters and square shoulder cutters. Most parallelogram inserts carry an end-user price of approximately $9. With two cutting edges, this translates to a cost per edge of $4.50 –quite expensive. Button cutters, however, offer between four and eight cutting edges. With a typical end-user price approximating $10, that translates into a cost per edge of $1.25-2.50.

Price per edge, however, is not the only important economic aspect of cutting tool selection. Total value must be determined, based on all of the previously mentioned aspects, including tool life and cycle time.

Dramatically different results can be attained, depending on the situation. Knowing how to intelligently evaluate each one can be the difference between profiting or losing on a job.

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Quality Indexable Face Milling Shell Mill Recommendations

I have never bought a shell mill because I don’t understand how one connects to an R8 arbor. That is, I wouldn’t know which R8 arbor to buy to mount to a given shell mill.

My milling machines are both R8. I am still taking a break from buying Chinese tooling, even though those are much less expensive.

I will usually be face milling carbon steel/alloy steel/SS with 48k-90k psi tensile strength. 1” cutting diameter would be the minimum, & 2” would be wide enough for my purposes. I guess I could go up to 2 1/2” cutting diameter.

I have been using 3/4” diameter, 4-flute el cheapo end mills for this, & it takes too long. I have also chipped the end mills, usually on an interrupted cut. A fly cutter has way too wide of a cutting diameter, & takes even longer.

I also chip carbide inserts doing much the same thing (e.g. facing SS) on my lathe, but I don’t mind switching out an insert. I *do* mind chipping an end mill. I have never tried a carbide end mill or used an end mill holder. I want to use an R8 arbor & an indexable face milling cutting tool.

I know that I could buy a carbide end mill or non-indexable shell mill, but I really prefer carbide inserts.

Does anybody want to recommend a Kennametal, Sandvik, or other quality indexable shell mill (or face milling cutting tool) with a cutting diameter of 1 to 2”, together with a quality R8 arbor? You didn't say whether you needed to cut to a square shoulder or not, but I have some suggestions to share. If you're interested in a 2" or larger face mill, read the attached. I have five of these face mills in different sizes and that take both insert types discussed, and they have been beyond my expectations. I think they are terrific value. I mate those face mills with precision R8 arbors made by Sowa that are available from Suncoast Tools.

I have tried several other types including Shars and been disappointed in the precision alignment of the insert pockets. Have a look at this test I did a couple years ago.

If you want more of a conventional indexable end mill, I have an Iscar 1" that I love. It takes APKT or APMT inserts which are available in a variety of grades for various material types. You can see it in action in the Shars video test at about 4:00 in the timeline.

This is what it looks like - I bought this used on eBay and have really put it through the wringer. It's a 3/4" Shank with 1" cutting diameter and takes 4 inserts:



The designation for this Iscar is E90A and they are available in several diameters from 0.375 upward. There are a few listed as new open box, and some used on eBay.

This is the current production model on MSC: https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/

I can put you in touch with an excellent independent tool rep with 35 years experience if you want - just message me (not chat, but message).

Hope this helps.

David

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You didn't say whether you needed to cut to a square shoulder or not, but I have some suggestions to share. If you're interested in a 2" or larger face mill, read the attached. I have five of these face mills in different sizes and that take both insert types discussed, and they have been beyond my expectations. I think they are terrific value. I mate those face mills with precision R8 arbors made by Sowa that are available from Suncoast Tools.

I have tried several other types including Shars and been disappointed in the precision alignment of the insert pockets. Have a look at this test I did a couple years ago.

If you want more of a conventional indexable end mill, I have an Iscar 1" that I love. It takes APKT or APMT inserts which are available in a variety of grades for various material types. You can see it in action in the Shars video test at about 4:00 in the timeline.

This is what it looks like - I bought this used on eBay and have really put it through the wringer. It's a 3/4" Shank with 1" cutting diameter and takes 4 inserts:

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The designation for this Iscar is E90A and they are available in several diameters from 0.375 upward. There are a few listed as new open box, and some used on eBay.

This is the current production model on MSC: https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/

I can put you in touch with an excellent independent tool rep with 35 years experience if you want - just message me (not chat, but message).

Hope this helps.

David
To date, I have never needed to cut a square shoulder. I am just milling a top surface to be flat.

I really like that Iscar with a 1 inch cutting diameter in the 3/4” shank. I could put that in the 3/4” R8 collet that I already own.

EDIT: I see on the Iscar website that it requires an end mill holder. That is not a problem for me. If you are doing simple facing I would suggest the SEHT / SEKT insert type face mills. It is staggering how much less noise and impact these cutters have on the part and the mill itself. Much less pounding. Much less side force and flex in the mill head. The 20⁰ rake angle is really impressive.

I have a 2" and a 1.25". I might buy a 1" as well.



The apkt insert type face mills hammered the ever loving crap out of my mills. I really hated them until I tried them on Aluminum at high rpm. Now aluminum is all I use them on unless I need to cut to a shoulder. I have a 4 flute 1.5" and a 2 flute 1".